Comments on: E-learning Ecosystem in Organizations http://michaelhanley.ie/elearningcurve/e-learning-ecosystem-in-organizations/2010/02/17/ Michael Hanley's blog about e-learning, web-based elearning, technology in education, e-learning tools, learning 2.0 (blogs and podcasts), & continuous professional development. Sat, 24 Dec 2011 19:09:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Steve http://michaelhanley.ie/elearningcurve/e-learning-ecosystem-in-organizations/2010/02/17/comment-page-1/#comment-2981 Steve Thu, 23 Dec 2010 15:37:02 +0000 http://michaelhanley.ie/elearningcurve/the-e-learning-ecosystem-in-organizations-2/2010/02/15/#comment-2981 Here are my thoughts on ecosystem. This isn't all inclusive, but an illustration of the idea that there's lots to think about and consider, it happens in alot of places, and we most often forget or discount the places where it happens most often. http://www.xpconcept.com/images/Ecosystem.pdf Here are my thoughts on ecosystem. This isn’t all inclusive, but an illustration of the idea that there’s lots to think about and consider, it happens in alot of places, and we most often forget or discount the places where it happens most often.

http://www.xpconcept.com/images/Ecosystem.pdf

]]> By: Steve http://michaelhanley.ie/elearningcurve/e-learning-ecosystem-in-organizations/2010/02/17/comment-page-1/#comment-2980 Steve Thu, 23 Dec 2010 15:28:47 +0000 http://michaelhanley.ie/elearningcurve/the-e-learning-ecosystem-in-organizations-2/2010/02/15/#comment-2980 I like the concept of the ecosystem in concept. I've spent some time over the past year thinking about these things. I love to read about the perspectives of others on the same subject. But I'm not in agreement on idea of linear mapping. I'm also not sure I'd take it as far as implying self-sustainment. Self-sustainment doesn't consider the impact of ETIC / EMIC effects, the need for champions to ensure perpetuation, and the changing nature of solutions as a result of applied focus. Communities and needs change when you provide solution focus. It's never self perpetuating, in my experience. I have some issues with the diagram at the beginning of the article. While I think it's nice to have a good starting place to present some considerations, I think this mapping discounts the power of some solution classes. The diagram implies that EPSS / Job Aids map to application and analysis. This, in itself, implies that EPSS are exclusively focused on the task and not the skills, values, or concepts that enable task performance. This narrows the application of EPSS. Designed properly, EPSS are tremendously powerful. The diagram also implies that Web based training maps to knowledge. This, to me, indicates the commonly misaligned perspective that relates knowledge directly to information. In my eyes, this is one of the many deadly sins of Web based training. This also implies that skills (application) and knowledge are separate or far apart. This too, I believe, is a fault in perspective. Information does not equal knowledge. Skills and knowledge are tightly interlinked and, in some cases, may be identical. Web based training can be tremendously powerful in providing exposure and practice to cognitive tasks (recall is merely one of the many cognitive task types). It is especially powerful in providing a spaced exposure and practice opportunity. Maybe you're talking about a distinction between job orientation and task oriented skill builders (learning objects). I wouldn't make that distinction. I just don't think a system can be simplified to that level. I appreciate the idea of an integrated continuum. But I don't think there's a formula where pidgeonholing or ordering the use of a solution within a continuum can yield a consistent result in all cases. Solutions have qualities and practical applications. The value of an ecosystem concept is that solutions are given equal and unbiased consideration. Consideration that allows the problems to find solutions, not the other way around. In this way, I think an ecosystem concept can be valuable. I like the concept of the ecosystem in concept. I’ve spent some time over the past year thinking about these things. I love to read about the perspectives of others on the same subject.

But I’m not in agreement on idea of linear mapping. I’m also not sure I’d take it as far as implying self-sustainment. Self-sustainment doesn’t consider the impact of ETIC / EMIC effects, the need for champions to ensure perpetuation, and the changing nature of solutions as a result of applied focus. Communities and needs change when you provide solution focus. It’s never self perpetuating, in my experience.

I have some issues with the diagram at the beginning of the article. While I think it’s nice to have a good starting place to present some considerations, I think this mapping discounts the power of some solution classes.

The diagram implies that EPSS / Job Aids map to application and analysis. This, in itself, implies that EPSS are exclusively focused on the task and not the skills, values, or concepts that enable task performance. This narrows the application of EPSS. Designed properly, EPSS are tremendously powerful.

The diagram also implies that Web based training maps to knowledge. This, to me, indicates the commonly misaligned perspective that relates knowledge directly to information. In my eyes, this is one of the many deadly sins of Web based training. This also implies that skills (application) and knowledge are separate or far apart. This too, I believe, is a fault in perspective. Information does not equal knowledge. Skills and knowledge are tightly interlinked and, in some cases, may be identical. Web based training can be tremendously powerful in providing exposure and practice to cognitive tasks (recall is merely one of the many cognitive task types). It is especially powerful in providing a spaced exposure and practice opportunity.

Maybe you’re talking about a distinction between job orientation and task oriented skill builders (learning objects). I wouldn’t make that distinction.

I just don’t think a system can be simplified to that level. I appreciate the idea of an integrated continuum. But I don’t think there’s a formula where pidgeonholing or ordering the use of a solution within a continuum can yield a consistent result in all cases.

Solutions have qualities and practical applications. The value of an ecosystem concept is that solutions are given equal and unbiased consideration. Consideration that allows the problems to find solutions, not the other way around. In this way, I think an ecosystem concept can be valuable.

]]> By: Michael Hanley http://michaelhanley.ie/elearningcurve/e-learning-ecosystem-in-organizations/2010/02/17/comment-page-1/#comment-1720 Michael Hanley Wed, 10 Mar 2010 20:23:47 +0000 http://michaelhanley.ie/elearningcurve/the-e-learning-ecosystem-in-organizations-2/2010/02/15/#comment-1720 Thanks for getting back to me Hoody. I'm happy to reply to this type of request, as opposed to remarks along the lines of <blockquote>Are you crazy? This is *not* influential – tell me its impact in the e-learning industry AS USED INSIDE REAL ORGANISATIONS please. Utter rubbish.</blockquote> I'll discuss my justifications for calling this paper influential in due course. Best regards, Michael -- Thanks for getting back to me Hoody. I’m happy to reply to this type of request, as opposed to remarks along the lines of

Are you crazy? This is *not* influential – tell me its impact in the e-learning industry AS USED INSIDE REAL ORGANISATIONS please. Utter rubbish.

I’ll discuss my justifications for calling this paper influential in due course.
Best regards,
Michael
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]]> By: Hoody http://michaelhanley.ie/elearningcurve/e-learning-ecosystem-in-organizations/2010/02/17/comment-page-1/#comment-1716 Hoody Wed, 10 Mar 2010 17:28:41 +0000 http://michaelhanley.ie/elearningcurve/the-e-learning-ecosystem-in-organizations-2/2010/02/15/#comment-1716 I love the smell of an unsubstantiated rant in the the morning… I do like a rant Michael, and in a non Nazi state I'm entitled to express my opinion (Godwin anyone). But I also asked you a question that you totally ignored. I shall rephrase for you: Could you please substantiate your comment "influential white paper". I await... I love the smell of an unsubstantiated rant in the the morning…
I do like a rant Michael, and in a non Nazi state I’m entitled to express my opinion (Godwin anyone). But I also asked you a question that you totally ignored. I shall rephrase for you: Could you please substantiate your comment “influential white paper”.

I await…

]]> By: A Holistic Approach to Workplace Competencies | E-Learning Curve Blog http://michaelhanley.ie/elearningcurve/e-learning-ecosystem-in-organizations/2010/02/17/comment-page-1/#comment-1662 A Holistic Approach to Workplace Competencies | E-Learning Curve Blog Wed, 03 Mar 2010 17:31:48 +0000 http://michaelhanley.ie/elearningcurve/the-e-learning-ecosystem-in-organizations-2/2010/02/15/#comment-1662 [...] far in this series on e-learning ecosystems and approaches to workplace learning, so far I have [...] [...] far in this series on e-learning ecosystems and approaches to workplace learning, so far I have [...]

]]> By: Michael Hanley http://michaelhanley.ie/elearningcurve/e-learning-ecosystem-in-organizations/2010/02/17/comment-page-1/#comment-1645 Michael Hanley Thu, 25 Feb 2010 15:45:48 +0000 http://michaelhanley.ie/elearningcurve/the-e-learning-ecosystem-in-organizations-2/2010/02/15/#comment-1645 <a href="http://michaelhanley.ie/elearningcurve/e-learning-ecosystem-in-organizations/2010/02/17/#comment-1635" rel="nofollow">Entertaining comment</a> by Hoody. I love the smell of an unsubstantiated rant in the the morning... it smells like... <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_Law" rel="nofollow">Godwin's Law</a>... I hope that your anger management classes are progressing well, my friend. Michael -- Entertaining comment by Hoody.

I love the smell of an unsubstantiated rant in the the morning… it smells like… Godwin’s Law…

I hope that your anger management classes are progressing well, my friend.

Michael
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]]> By: Hoody http://michaelhanley.ie/elearningcurve/e-learning-ecosystem-in-organizations/2010/02/17/comment-page-1/#comment-1635 Hoody Sat, 20 Feb 2010 23:42:57 +0000 http://michaelhanley.ie/elearningcurve/the-e-learning-ecosystem-in-organizations-2/2010/02/15/#comment-1635 "influential white paper Powering the leap to maturity: The eLearning ecosystem" Are you crazy? This is *not* influential - tell me its impact in the e-learning industry AS USED INSIDE REAL ORGANISATIONS please. Utter rubbish. Drivel research. “influential white paper Powering the leap to maturity: The eLearning ecosystem”
Are you crazy? This is *not* influential – tell me its impact in the e-learning industry AS USED INSIDE REAL ORGANISATIONS please. Utter rubbish.

Drivel research.

]]> By: E-Learning along the curve: knowledge workers learning needs | E-Learning Curve Blog http://michaelhanley.ie/elearningcurve/e-learning-ecosystem-in-organizations/2010/02/17/comment-page-1/#comment-1624 E-Learning along the curve: knowledge workers learning needs | E-Learning Curve Blog Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:36:50 +0000 http://michaelhanley.ie/elearningcurve/the-e-learning-ecosystem-in-organizations-2/2010/02/15/#comment-1624 [...] to knowledge workers learning needs As I discussed in my previous blog entry on this topic (E-Learning Ecosystems in Organizations), formally-structured approaches to learning (including both instructor-led and “traditional” [...] [...] to knowledge workers learning needs As I discussed in my previous blog entry on this topic (E-Learning Ecosystems in Organizations), formally-structured approaches to learning (including both instructor-led and “traditional” [...]

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